If you have left government or military service in recent years, then there is a good chance you still have a Thrift Savings Plan (TSP) account in your name. Personally, I’m a big fan of consolidating financial accounts to make financial planning and management easier to deal with. But the TSP is in a league of its own among other investment options, namely due to some of the lowest expense ratios you will find anywhere. So keeping your assets in the TSP may not be a bad option. But sometimes it’s best to simplify your financial life and roll your investments into fewer accounts. So let’s take a look at doing a TSP rollover – the pros & cons, when it makes sense to do so, and when you should leave your money in the TSP. As with all major financial decisions, there is no one-size-fits-all approach. Each situation needs to be reviewed on a case by case basis.
While everyone has different perspectives and situations, there is one constant:
Any financial decision you make should be consistent with a financial plan that reflects your values and goals.
This article will discuss the pros and cons of rolling your TSP account into an IRA. However, any decision you make should be consistent with the long-term plan or strategy you have in place.
What Should You Do with Your TSP After Military Service?
The first thing you will need to do is determine if your assets are eligible for distribution. The TSP has certain criteria, so contact customer service through the ThriftLine if in doubt.
Once you determine your funds are eligible for distribution, you need to decide what to do with those funds. We previously discussed options for the TSP when you leave the service in this article: what should you do with your TSP when you leave the military?
This article covers the main options, such as leaving your funds within your TSP account, rolling it into an IRA, roll your assets into a 401k plan at your new employer, withdraw your funds (watch out for early withdrawal penalties), and roll your funds into a qualified annuity.
Pros and Cons of Doing an TSP Rollover into an IRA
The TSP has some of the lowest expense ratios in the investment industry and you will be hard pressed to find mutual funds with expense ratios that low, even at low cost mutual fund firms such as Vanguard or Fidelity. You almost certainly won’t be able to find them in a 401k plan, as most 401k plans have funds with relatively high expense ratios.
An IRA, on the other hand, gives you better control over your investment options, including the ability to invest in a wide variety of stocks, bonds, funds, and other investments that you can’t use with the Thrift Savings Plan or many 401k plans. You can also open an IRA at many locations, including banks, online discount brokers, mutual fund firms, etc.
Let’s take a look at the reasons for doing a TSP rollover, and the reasons for leaving your money in the Thrift Savings Plan. Remember, there is no right or wrong for everyone, only right and wrong for your situation.
TSP Rollover: Reasons For
There are benefits to doing a TSP rollover. Some of those benefits are listed in more detail below.
Account aggregation: As people depart the military, they may find themselves trying to get their financial house in order. Part of that process includes account consolidation. If you’ve already been contributing to an IRA and you’re departing the military, it might be convenient to transfer your TSP account into that IRA.
Investment choices: Although you could argue that TSP has plenty of diversification for any investor, there are several situations in which TSP is not the right savings vehicle. Two specific examples come to mind.
- First, there are people who want to have a self-directed IRA to manage real estate or a closely-held business. Due to the tax treatment of leveraged investments inside retirement accounts, both of these ventures would receive maximum benefit from a consolidation of retirement assets. Since TSP doesn’t allow for self-directed investments, an IRA is the only other logical investment vehicle.
- Second, there are people who might benefit from purchasing a qualified longevity annuity contract (QLAC). QLACs are for people who are approaching the age for required minimum distributions (RMDs), but do not need the income. The benefit of a QLAC is that it allows the account owner to defer RMDs until a later date. While this article won’t discuss specifics, a QLAC can be an effective tax-planning tool and a long-term care planning tool. While you can purchase a QLAC in an IRA, you cannot do so from TSP.
TSP Rollover: Reasons Against
There are also some cons with rolling TSP into an IRA. Let’s look into those as well.
Costs:
There’s just no getting around this. Although Vanguard is the lowest-cost IRA provider, it still costs more than TSP. How much more? Let’s look at this hypothetical chart of 20-year returns.
This chart used the following numbers:
- Stock market returns. Literally, numbers I pulled out of my head. You can do this yourself with any set of numbers. The focus should be on the comparison between TSP, Vanguard, and the industry average.
- TSP: TSP’s expense ratios equal 2.9 basis points, or .029%.
- Vanguard: Vanguard’s webpage cites that their average ETF fees are .12%, or 12 basis points.
- Industry average: 53 basis points, or .53%, also according to Vanguard.
This chart indicates three things:
- Not even TSP is an exact proxy for market returns. You can see that the 2.9 basis point annual fees take their toll over time.
- However, TSP is closer to the pure stock market return than Vanguard.
- Both TSP and Vanguard are pretty close to the pure market return. However, many people who aren’t fee-conscious might see their returns eroded in the long-term.
Account aggregation:
Huh? Wasn’t this a positive to moving your money into an IRA? However, you can just as easily consolidate your IRA and other retirement plans under TSP. This is a great idea for families who have multiple IRAs or 401(k) plans, but who see TSP as a cornerstone of their financial future. You can find more information on rolling accounts into TSP on the TSP website.
Tax planning: Tax-Exempt Contributions Can Have a Major Impact
This is a tough one, so try to follow me here (and we have a full-length article that covers this section in greater detail, including step-by-step Rollover instructions).
For those who have significant amounts of contributions from tax exempt combat-zones, you’re probably aware that the eventual distribution from those tax deferred contributions are tax-exempt, even though the earnings on those contributions are not. This information is easily produced by TSP, and you can look on your account statements to know exactly where you stand. You can read more about tax-exempt TSP contributions and withdrawals in this article.
When you transfer this account to an IRA, most likely, your IRA custodian will have NO idea how to segregate your tax-free and taxable contributions. Combat zone contributions are the only type of contributions that are tax free. TSP is the only retirement plan that accounts for combat zone contributions. Other plans are primarily focused on pre-tax and after-tax contributions, not tax-free.
What this means is that when you shift your TSP to an IRA account, your IRA custodian will likely treat your account in the following manner:
- Traditional accounts will be considered pre-tax
- Roth accounts will be considered after-tax
Your eventual distributions will have required withholdings by the IRA custodian. This means that your tax-free distribution MAY have tax withholdings, even though they’re tax-free. You can eventually claw back the withheld money when you file your tax return.
However, the burden of proof is on you to clearly identify that the transferred money originally came from contributions that you made when you were in a combat zone. This means you’ll have to maintain records that clearly indicate:
- Your deployments & total contributions during those deployments
- That your deployments qualified for tax-free contributions according to IRS Publication 3 (Armed Forces Tax Guide)
- That your roll over and distributions was consistent with IRS Notice 2014-54, Guidance on After-Tax Amounts to Rollovers
If you’re not familiar with IRS Notice 2014-54, it’s a doozy. In essence, it means that when you withdraw from a retirement account plan (such as a 401(k) or TSP), and you have both pre-tax and after-tax (or tax-free) contributions, then you MUST make your withdrawals in proportional amounts.
For example, let’s say you have $100,000 in TSP ($80,000 in traditional and $20,000 in Roth). When withdrawing from this account (or rolling over), you must withdraw equally from each account. If you’re rolling over the entire balance, there’s no problem. However, let’s say you’re only drawing out $20,000. You cannot just cherry-pick $20,000 in Roth just to avoid paying taxes.
The IRS mandates that your $20,000 must be in equal proportions from each account. In this case, you would take 80% from the traditional & 20% from the Roth account, or $16,000 and $4,000, respectively. (BTW, TSP accounts for this and will distribute proceeds from your accounts in this manner).
Tired yet? Just wait until you try to manage this on your own, without any assistance from TSP (who is no longer managing your account). You might spend a lot of money to hire an accountant, enrolled agent, or fee-only financial planner to help you wade through this correctly, or even more time & frustration (and possibly money if done incorrectly) doing it on your own. This might be a situation where you decide to leave your money in TSP.
Note: We haven’t yet gotten to the point where there are a lot of TSP accountholders who are managing distributions of combat zone contributions. However, when we do, it will be quickly apparent that this will be a big deal for those people who rolled their TSP over into IRA accounts. Perhaps the bigger IRA custodians will incorporate procedures to amend this gap. However, since TSP rollovers count for such a small portion of the overall IRA rollover market ($443 billion for TSP vs. $4.8 trillion for 401(k)s), I wouldn’t hold my breath.
More information on Tax-Exempt TSP Contributions: I encourage you to read the following guide, which explains this in greater detail, including how to roll over a TSP with tax-exempt contributions into a Traditional IRA (traditional contributions and earnings) and a Roth IRA (tax-exempt contributions): Thrift Savings Plan Rollover Guide – How to Transfer Your TSP into an IRA – with Instructions for Tax-Exempt Contributions. This guide can save you a lot of trouble when doing a rollover.
In Summary:
Here are the summarize pros and cons of rolling over your Thrift Savings Plan account into an IRA or 401k:
Advantages of rolling your TSP into an IRA:
- Full control of investments
- More investment options
- Ability to control fees
- Portability
Advantages of leaving your funds in the TSP: There are two main advantages to leaving your funds in the TSP: the low expense ratios, and the possibility of tax free withdrawals if you made contributions with tax free funds. This last advantage could apply if you contributed to your TSP plan while you were in a tax free combat zone. Finally, you won’t be charged any additional fees to leave your funds in the Thrift Savings Plan (plan expenses still apply), and it won’t affect any of your other investments, or ability to open other retirement accounts.
If You Decide to Rollover a TSP Account into an IRA
If you decide to roll your Thrift Savings Plan assets into an IRA, then you have a few options to consider. The first thing you will need to do is open an IRA if you don’t already have one. Here is a list of what to look for when opening an IRA and some of the best brokerages to open an IRA to help you.
Which Option is Best?
There is no right or wrong option. If you prefer a hands off approach with low fees, or if you have a large amount of tax free contributions, then you may wish to keep your funds in the Thrift Savings Plan. If, however, you have a hands on investing approach, or simply wish for more investment options, then rolling your TSP assets into an IRA may be a better option for you. Be sure to investigate your options thoroughly and make the best decision based on your investment needs and risk tolerance.
Regardless of your decision, it’s important that you not make this decision too quickly. The last thing that you want to do is jump from the frying pan into the fire. Instead, the decision to roll your TSP into an IRA should be part of a methodical, long-term financial plan that is consistent with your values and financial goals.
Hank says
Can you split the funds from you TSP by rolling them into two seperate accounts, a Traditional IRA (regular TSP contributions) and a Roth IRA (Tax Exempt contributions)?
Pat S. says
What about leaving the funds in the TSP and continuing to transfer from external tax deferred plans? With the expense ratio as low as it is in the TSP, and the easy to understand competitive investment portfolios available, this seems like an even better option.
This is a little known provision, that allows you to transfer funds INTO the TSP after you leave military service. This only applies to traditional 401(k) type accounts, but s long as you leave the money in the TSP, it applies.
There is some paperwork to go along with it, and you will need to contact both your employer’s personnel office and the TSP for rules and other stipulations, but this allows you to keep your funds in the TSP while still investing in tax deferred accounts, and adding to the TSP through a “back door” strategy that many people do not take advantage of.
For more information on this provision visit: https://www.tsp.gov/planparticipation/transfers/eligibility.shtml
Too many people aren’t familiar with this provision, and pull their money out of the TSP without considering the almost non-existent expense ratio and fund choices offered by the TSP.
Ryan Guina says
Pat, that is a great option as well. But it’s only available when you change employers or any other time you are eligible to roll over a retirement fund. OS it’s a good idea, but not something people can take advantage of frequently!
Dave Gray says
What amount do you consider “large amount of tax free contributions.”
Ryan Guina says
Dave, it depends on your individual circumstances as to what constitutes a large percentage. But in my opinion, it’s never a good idea to move the tax free contributions into an account where they would lose their tax free eligibility. In this case, you wouldn’t want to roll those contributions into a 401k, because there is no way to separate those funds – they would all get lumped together and the tax free contributions would lose their tax benefits.
The best solution for tax purposes is usually one of two things:
1. Leave your TSP funds in the TSP.
2. Transfer your TSP into an IRA. The tax free contributions in your TSP can be rolled into a Roth IRA and the other contributions can be rolled into a Traditional IRA. As these are rollovers, they don’t count toward your annual IRA contribution limits.
Which of these choices is better depends on your investing skill and preferences. The TSP has a limited number of funds, but they are extremely low cost. IRAs generally give you more investment options, plus, your Roth IRA will have the opportunity to grow more, whereas any tax free contributions in your TSP remain the same (only the tax free contributions are distributed without taxes). The best long term move may be to roll your TSP into a Traditional and Roth IRA.
I hope this helps, and thanks for your service.
JR says
I’m being told by the TSP call center that you can’t roll it over into anything, 401k, Roth, Self Directed IRA, nothing. The only way to remove money is a financial hardship or if you are 59 1/2. They are citing this:
https://www.tsp.gov/PDF/formspubs/tspbk12.pdf
Ryan Guina says
JR, This is correct if you are still actively eligible to contribute to the TSP. For example, you are still serving in the military or in the government.
You can only do a rollover after you have left military or government service. I hope this helps.
Dale says
If I’m not mistaken, another important reason to keep your money in the TSP is the FDIC type insurance. If you transfer to a civilian brokerage, you lose this benefit, assuming the investments you choose with the broker are non-Fdic insured, like stocks and mutual funds. Am I correct in this logic?
Ryan Guina says
Dale, the only investments that are FDIC insured are Certificates of Deposit or cash equivalents. Government bonds are also guaranteed by the US Government. These types of investments are also available through a civilian brokerage, along with many other investment alternatives. The TSP also features some non-FDIC insured investments. As with all investing, it’s important to understand the risks.
Ian Coubrough says
Ryan, I retired last August and need to know the best way to handle my TSP funds. I’ve heard that there is a definite distinction between a rollover and a transfer to an IRA. My funds will be taxed the 20 percent but I want to avoid additional penalties. I am 64. Thanks
Ryan Guina says
Hello Ian, you actually have several choices for your TSP where you can avoid paying any taxes. Here is a list of options for your TSP when you leave government service. Your primary options are to leave your TSP funds in your TSP – you don’t have to remove them. You can also roll your TSP account assets into an IRA, roll your TSP account into your new employer’s 401(k) plan if you have a new job, or transfer your TSP account assets to a qualified annuity. None of these options will cost you anything, or incur any taxes.
Your final option is to withdraw some or all of your TSP funds in a lump sum. You won’t pay any penalties since you are older than age 59.5, but you would have to pay taxes on your withdrawal, and depending on how much you withdraw, you may go into a higher tax bracket.
My recommendation is to only withdraw the amount you need each month so you don’t pay too many taxes at once. The remaining assets will continue to grow in a tax deferred environment, allowing you to increase your retirement savings while waiting to pay the taxes on those funds. It’s probably not a good idea to withdraw everything at once, unless you are rolling it into another retirement plan such as a 401k, IRA, or qualified annuity.
You can also contact a financial planner for more specific information tailored to your individual needs. Best of luck, and thanks for your service!
Larry W. says
I retired from the Post Office and I’m 55 years old. Can I rollover my TSP account into a Traditional IRA with out incurring penalty fees ? No Roth is involved. Thanks !
Fred says
Ryan, what is your opinion of investing in “C” shares. The investments for now will be relatively low, like (100-200) a month. This would happen after a fully funded TSP account.
William says
Another reason to roll your TSP balance into a traditional IRA is because once you leave federal service you cannot contribute to it any longer. After leaving federal service your TSP balance’s growth is dependent on the gains of your holdings alone and not from future contributions. If you roll the balance into a traditional IRA you can continue contributing to it. Also, depending on the type of vehicle (mutual funds, stocks etc.) you fund your traditional IRA with…you can take advantage of even more balance growth via capital gains and dividends being reinvested into your holdings.
Howard M. says
I’m getting to the age when I have to remove the funds from my TSP account. I don’t want to put it into an annuity, because I want to keep control of it. On the other hand, I want to put it into a safe investment, such as a IRA investment, so the principle will not diminish and it will continue to grow. Being that I’m completely retired, can I roll my TSP account into to an IRA account? Is there an IRA account that is a good investment? Thank you.
javier says
Ryan, I am 57 years old and retired from the federal government and left my money in the TSP. I have a new employer and I am contributing monthly to a 457 (b) Compensation Plan. I invest the money in several mutual funds that give me more diversity. I plan to work about three more years. Can I roll over my TSP into the 457(b) where I can contribute to it monthly. As you know, since I have separated from the federal government I can lo longer contribute to my TSP.
Thanks
Ryan Guina says
Hello Javier, Yes, you should be able to roll the TSP funds into the 457b. However, your funds may have a lower expense ratio inside the TSP. Take a look at your current investment options, and decide if you can get everything you need from the 457b, and see if the expense ratios are reasonable. If the 457b works for your needs, then transferring your TSP funds to the 457b is a good idea. If you like the TSP funds better than the 457b, then just leave your funds in your TSP. There is no problem leaving them in there. When you reach retirement from your current job, you would be able to roll those funds into the TSP if you wish to consolidate your investments.
Ron says
Hello
If you leave govt with a civilian tsp how much if it can be rolled into a Ira ? What’s the tax implications.
Cyrus says
One important factor overlooked is Minimum Required Distributions (MRDs). These are required to begin the year after you turn 70.5. These are required for the roth tsp, traditional tsp, and traditional ira. However, they are not required for a roth ira. So if your goal is to maximize the tax differed growth of your money, rolling over tsp to a Roth ira might be an important factor. Note: the 401k is also subject to RMDs.
Dave says
I will be retiring at the end of this year with 33 years of service. I have a substantial amount of TSP savings and I’m told that I can move that money now into an IRA before I actually retire. Is that true and would you advise it?
Ryan Guina says
Hello Dave, I am not aware of any way to transfer funds out of your TSP and into a new retirement account before you retire. I would advise waiting until after you retire from the military, and have determined if you even need to move the funds into an IRA. There are advantages and disadvantages of doing both, and trying to do this while you are also preparing for your retirement may just be added stress.
I would wait until you have decided your next course of action, whether that is full retirement, a post-military career, etc., you have settled into your new home if moving, and you have adjusted to the new situation. Then you can decide what to do.
Final advice – try to avoid listening to a financial advisor who advises you to move all your retirement accounts under his portfolio. The TSP has a wide enough variety of accounts to fully diversify your investment portfolio (more info – https://themilitarywallet.com/thrift-savings-plan-diversification/), and it features the lowest fees you will find anywhere. Convincing military veterans and civil service workers to move their TSP accounts into more expensive investments is a multi-billion industry you want to avoid. And that often doesn’t count the high investment management fees many financial advisors charge. Moving your investments out of the TSP without a well thought out plan is a quick way to dig a hole that can be difficult to get out of.
There is no penalty for leaving your investments in the TSP, so the best course of action is to wait until you have the time to determine your exact needs. Then decide if moving your funds out of the TSP helps you achieve those goals, or if it takes you in the opposite direction.
Drew says
Dave,
You can not move your money before your actually retire. I know several people that have recently retired and took a TSP Retirement class. Email me if you would like the presentation slides from the class, they were really helpful.
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